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[I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230073] Mi, 01 März 2006 00:35
agoodwinsmith  
I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.

Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:

http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006

Mwahahaha, and all that.

April.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230153 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 19:06
Sofia  
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:35:34 -0800, agoodwinsmith wrote:

> I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
>
> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
>
> Mwahahaha, and all that.


LOL! It isn't a government advertisment to try and get us femme fatals to
take more exercise by jumping over rooftops, and into our lover's bedroom
window to bring him a box of milk tray, is it? :-)


All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230162 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 21:05
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called
1141169734.742212.196880 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
> I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
>
> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
>
> Mwahahaha, and all that.
>
> April.

Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?


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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230164 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 21:26
Puck  
Sofia wrote:
> LOL! It isn't a government advertisment to try and get us femme
> fatals to take more exercise by jumping over rooftops, and into our
> lover's bedroom window to bring him a box of milk tray, is it? :-)

No, but if you're volunteering...

--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230231 ] Do, 02 März 2006 13:13
Hendrik Schober  
Brian Wakeling <bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> In a speech called
> 1141169734.742212.196880 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
> > I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
> >
> > Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
> >
> > http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
> >
> > Mwahahaha, and all that.
> >
> > April.
>
> Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?

I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign
on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
Terry Pratchett
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230240 ] Do, 02 März 2006 14:41
Gift  
> LOL! It isn't a government advertisment to try and get us femme fatals to
> take more exercise by jumping over rooftops, and into our lover's bedroom
> window to bring him a box of milk tray, is it? :-)
>
sounds good, mind the landing :-)
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230255 ] Do, 02 März 2006 16:52
Sofia  
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:26:54 -0500, Puck wrote:

>> LOL! It isn't a government advertisment to try and get us femme
>> fatals to take more exercise by jumping over rooftops, and into our
>> lover's bedroom window to bring him a box of milk tray, is it? :-)
>
> No, but if you're volunteering...


Ha, ha, my lover'll be so lucky! I'd much rather *he* risked his life, and
*I* ate the chocolates!!! :-)


Greedy


Sofie

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230264 ] Do, 02 März 2006 18:50
Lesley Weston  
in article du6nsq$b0r$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 02/03/2006 4:13 AM:

> Brian Wakeling <bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In a speech called
>> 1141169734.742212.196880 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>> I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
>>>
>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>
>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
>>>
>>> Mwahahaha, and all that.
>>>
>>> April.
>>
>> Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
>
> I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
> why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).

Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. I
noticed something mildly interesting about this. In the Scotsman report
about the two Dutch studies on the same group of old men that April pointed
us to, the emphasis was on chocolate prolonging life in the men, with a
mention that optimism helps too. In the BBC story,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4759524.stm

it's all about optimism with no mention at all of chocolate. Does this say
something about national characteristics, or just about some puritanical
editor at the BBC who believes that we should all have strong enough
characters to be optimistic on our own without the help of chocolate?

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230303 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 05:47
April Goodwin-Smith  
"Lesley Weston" wrote ...
<snip>
>>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
<snip>
> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. I
> noticed something mildly interesting about this. In the Scotsman report
> about the two Dutch studies on the same group of old men that April
> pointed
> us to, the emphasis was on chocolate prolonging life in the men, with a
> mention that optimism helps too. In the BBC story,
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4759524.stm
>
> it's all about optimism with no mention at all of chocolate. Does this say
> something about national characteristics, or just about some puritanical
> editor at the BBC who believes that we should all have strong enough
> characters to be optimistic on our own without the help of chocolate?
>

I had a closer look at the two stories, and the BBC one is from
a different study using the same group of men, whereas the
Scotsmen one refers to both studies.

I saw the story on the front page of the Wednesday Vancouver
Sun in the lunchroom (which, strangely enough, only referred to
the chocolate study - and what does that say about the Canadian
character, eh? Maybe it's just a Wet Coast sensualist phenomenon),
and then I looked for an on-line version of the story. I just looked
again, and the only one that turns up now is this one:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=health News&storyID=2006-02-27T212700Z_01_N27382123_RTRIDST_0_H EALTH-COCOA-DC.XML

(ooo, wrap-o-matic)

Why is this interesting news about chocolate not blowing
the doors off, eh? Oh sure, when it's red wine, everybody
goes *on* and on about it. Is there a conspiracy of
silence? Eh? Eh?

April.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230309 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 10:30
naomi  
April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
> "Lesley Weston" wrote ...
> <snip>
>>>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
> <snip>
>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. I
>> noticed something mildly interesting about this. In the Scotsman report
>> about the two Dutch studies on the same group of old men that April
>> pointed
>> us to, the emphasis was on chocolate prolonging life in the men, with a
>> mention that optimism helps too. In the BBC story,
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4759524.stm
>>
>> it's all about optimism with no mention at all of chocolate. Does this say
>> something about national characteristics, or just about some puritanical
>> editor at the BBC who believes that we should all have strong enough
>> characters to be optimistic on our own without the help of chocolate?
>>
>
> I had a closer look at the two stories, and the BBC one is from
> a different study using the same group of men, whereas the
> Scotsmen one refers to both studies.
>
> I saw the story on the front page of the Wednesday Vancouver
> Sun in the lunchroom (which, strangely enough, only referred to
> the chocolate study - and what does that say about the Canadian
> character, eh? Maybe it's just a Wet Coast sensualist phenomenon),
> and then I looked for an on-line version of the story. I just looked
> again, and the only one that turns up now is this one:
> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=health News&storyID=2006-02-27T212700Z_01_N27382123_RTRIDST_0_H EALTH-COCOA-DC.XML
>
> (ooo, wrap-o-matic)
>
> Why is this interesting news about chocolate not blowing
> the doors off, eh? Oh sure, when it's red wine, everybody
> goes *on* and on about it. Is there a conspiracy of
> silence? Eh? Eh?
>
> April.
>
>

I wish to volunteer for when they study this in women. I will eat as
much chocolate as they give me even blindfolded.

n
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230311 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 11:04
Hendrik Schober  
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> in article du6nsq$b0r$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
> SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 02/03/2006 4:13 AM:
>
> > Brian Wakeling <bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> In a speech called
> >> 1141169734.742212.196880 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
> >> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
> >>> I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
> >>>
> >>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
> >>>
> >>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
> >>>
> >>> Mwahahaha, and all that.
> >>>
> >>> April.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
> >
> > I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
> > why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
>
> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. [...]

Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
to chocolate only? Because, AFAIK, cocoa used to
be used as a kind of drug by the... uh, oh, was it
the Aztecs? (And how do you spell them???) So I
always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
to your brain.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign
on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
Terry Pratchett
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230329 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 16:28
janica.hindle  
Once upon a time - for example, Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:04:07 +0100 - there
was this guy, or something, called "Hendrik Schober"
<SpamTrap [at] gmx.de>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:

>> > I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
>> > why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
>>
>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. [...]
>
> Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
> to chocolate only? Because, AFAIK, cocoa used to
> be used as a kind of drug by the... uh, oh, was it
> the Aztecs? (And how do you spell them???) So I
> always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
> to your brain.

They drank cocoa, but chewed coca leaves for a drug.



Janica

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230331 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 17:16
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Brian Wakeling wrote:

> > Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
>
> I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
> why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).

Do a web search for "chocolate anandamide", browse a few of the top
results, and you'll know as much as I do, and probably more. I learned
about this from an entry in a news column in a 1997 science magazine.

BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.

Adrian.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230339 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 19:48
Lesley Weston  
in article %TPNf.90349$H%4.72872 [at] pd7tw2no, April Goodwin-Smith at
agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca wrote on 02/03/2006 8:47 PM:

> "Lesley Weston" wrote ...
> <snip>
>>>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
> <snip>
>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. I
>> noticed something mildly interesting about this. In the Scotsman report
>> about the two Dutch studies on the same group of old men that April
>> pointed
>> us to, the emphasis was on chocolate prolonging life in the men, with a
>> mention that optimism helps too. In the BBC story,
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4759524.stm
>>
>> it's all about optimism with no mention at all of chocolate. Does this say
>> something about national characteristics, or just about some puritanical
>> editor at the BBC who believes that we should all have strong enough
>> characters to be optimistic on our own without the help of chocolate?
>>
>
> I had a closer look at the two stories, and the BBC one is from
> a different study using the same group of men, whereas the
> Scotsmen one refers to both studies.

Well sure, but since both studies used the same group of men over the same
period of time, there must be at best a confounding effect between the
chocolate and the optimism, and quite possibly a cause-and-effect
relationship - the one might well cause the other, though which way round
isn't clear.
>
> I saw the story on the front page of the Wednesday Vancouver
> Sun in the lunchroom (which, strangely enough, only referred to
> the chocolate study - and what does that say about the Canadian
> character, eh? Maybe it's just a Wet Coast sensualist phenomenon),

No, then it would be a double skinny mocha decaf latte with extra foam and
chocolate sprinkles.

> and then I looked for an on-line version of the story. I just looked
> again, and the only one that turns up now is this one:
> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=health News&storyID=2006-
> 02-27T212700Z_01_N27382123_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-COCOA-DC.XML
>
> (ooo, wrap-o-matic)
>
> Why is this interesting news about chocolate not blowing
> the doors off, eh? Oh sure, when it's red wine, everybody
> goes *on* and on about it. Is there a conspiracy of
> silence? Eh? Eh?

Well, all I can say about that is that we've taken to having a nice cup of
cocoa for breakfast since you broke the story, on the grounds that we can
now feel virtuous rather than guilty about it. Mind you, we make it with
skim milk and Splenda sweetener, but it's still pretty good.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230341 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 20:09
Lesley Weston  
in article 44080ca5 [at] news.comindico.com.au, naomi at kittenkat [at] dodo.com.au
wrote on 03/03/2006 1:30 AM:

> April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
>> "Lesley Weston" wrote ...
>> <snip>
>>>>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>>>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
>> <snip>
>>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. I
>>> noticed something mildly interesting about this. In the Scotsman report
>>> about the two Dutch studies on the same group of old men that April
>>> pointed
>>> us to, the emphasis was on chocolate prolonging life in the men, with a
>>> mention that optimism helps too. In the BBC story,
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4759524.stm
>>>
>>> it's all about optimism with no mention at all of chocolate. Does this say
>>> something about national characteristics, or just about some puritanical
>>> editor at the BBC who believes that we should all have strong enough
>>> characters to be optimistic on our own without the help of chocolate?
>>>
>>
>> I had a closer look at the two stories, and the BBC one is from
>> a different study using the same group of men, whereas the
>> Scotsmen one refers to both studies.
>>
>> I saw the story on the front page of the Wednesday Vancouver
>> Sun in the lunchroom (which, strangely enough, only referred to
>> the chocolate study - and what does that say about the Canadian
>> character, eh? Maybe it's just a Wet Coast sensualist phenomenon),
>> and then I looked for an on-line version of the story. I just looked
>> again, and the only one that turns up now is this one:
>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=health News&storyID=2006
>> -02-27T212700Z_01_N27382123_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-COCOA-DC.XML
>>
>> (ooo, wrap-o-matic)
>>
>> Why is this interesting news about chocolate not blowing
>> the doors off, eh? Oh sure, when it's red wine, everybody
>> goes *on* and on about it. Is there a conspiracy of
>> silence? Eh? Eh?
>>
>> April.
>>
>>
>
> I wish to volunteer for when they study this in women. I will eat as
> much chocolate as they give me even blindfolded.

Be careful: During my childhood, my father (a biochemical geneticist) was
working on a condition that involves a substance found in chocolate and
other foods that is metabolised into another substance that's excreted in
the urine, or into a different substance that causes trouble in people who
suffer from this condition. He asked me if I would like to spend a day
eating as much chocolate as I possibly could and nothing else but water, and
from time to time peeing into a bottle so that he could follow the
metabolism of the substance in a normal control child (me). I agreed (of
course!), and the day started off in the most heavenly way. But by the end
of the day I couldn't bear even the thought of eating chocolate, and that
infirmity persisted for several years. Eventually I recovered, so I am
eligible for membership of afp, but those few years were rather sad, if
healthy.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230343 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 20:16
Lesley Weston  
in article du94ke$vl3$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 03/03/2006 2:04 AM:

> Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> in article du6nsq$b0r$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
>> SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 02/03/2006 4:13 AM:
>>
>>> Brian Wakeling <bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In a speech called
>>>> 1141169734.742212.196880 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
>>>> agoodwinsmith [at] yahoo.ca uttered thus:
>>>>> I'm sorry, I can't wait to get home to share this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently men who ate more chocolate lived longer:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=304882006
>>>>>
>>>>> Mwahahaha, and all that.
>>>>>
>>>>> April.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
>>>
>>> I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
>>> why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
>>
>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. [...]
>
> Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
> to chocolate only?

They're there from the beginning.

> Because, AFAIK, cocoa used to
> be used as a kind of drug by the... uh, oh, was it
> the Aztecs?

Yes.

>(And how do you spell them???)

Like that.

> So I
> always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
> to your brain.

According to the people doing the study, it's just the anti-oxidants
preventing heart attacks and strokes. That doesn't mean there aren't
psycho-active effects as well, though.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230344 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 20:17
Lesley Weston  
in article 14og02dh22hcc4bu4j4g1pqprp7j6v3rqm [at] 4ax.com, Chucky & Janica at
janica.hindle [at] kolumbus.finland wrote on 03/03/2006 7:28 AM:

> Once upon a time - for example, Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:04:07 +0100 - there
> was this guy, or something, called "Hendrik Schober"
> <SpamTrap [at] gmx.de>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
> following stuff:
>
>>>> I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
>>>> why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
>>>
>>> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. [...]
>>
>> Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
>> to chocolate only? Because, AFAIK, cocoa used to
>> be used as a kind of drug by the... uh, oh, was it
>> the Aztecs? (And how do you spell them???) So I
>> always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
>> to your brain.
>
> They drank cocoa, but chewed coca leaves for a drug.

Two different drugs from two different plants.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230377 ] Sa, 04 März 2006 01:42
Aggie  
"Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C02DCFEF.42EB7%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk...
>

~~sneep sneep~~

> Well, all I can say about that is that we've taken to having a nice cup of
> cocoa for breakfast since you broke the story, on the grounds that we can
> now feel virtuous rather than guilty about it. Mind you, we make it with
> skim milk and Splenda sweetener, but it's still pretty good.
>
> --
> Lesley Weston.

Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
fan, as am I, you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and other drinks.
Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)

Aggie
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #230378 ] Sa, 04 März 2006 01:44
Aggie  
"Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
~~~snippin' up a storm~~~

Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
>> to chocolate only?
>
> They're there from the beginning.
>
>> Because, AFAIK, cocoa used to
>> be used as a kind of drug by the... uh, oh, was it
>> the Aztecs?
>
> Yes.
>
> >(And how do you spell them???)
>
> Like that.
>
>> So I
>> always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
>> to your brain.
>
> According to the people doing the study, it's just the anti-oxidants
> preventing heart attacks and strokes. That doesn't mean there aren't
> psycho-active effects as well, though.
>
> --
> Lesley Weston.

There is nothing wrong with a good, wholesome psycho-active effect I always
say. :|

Aggie
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234456 ] Sa, 04 März 2006 13:03
Sofia  
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:42:04 +0000, Aggie wrote:

> Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
> fan, as am I, you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and other drinks.
> Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)


YUK! Sweeteners are banned from my coming anywhere near my kitchen. My
sister lives by them, but I tried them once and the disgusting aftertaste
put me off for life - my beverages always taster nicer without a
sweetner, and thank god I use honey as a sweetner instead of syrups to
stick in my porridge, and home-baked bread, I can't even begin to imagine
what syrup with a horrid aftertaste was like!


All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234513 ] So, 05 März 2006 01:39
Lesley Weston  
in article wn5Of.6397$S25.2589 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, Aggie at
aggieangst [at] yourway.com wrote on 03/03/2006 4:42 PM:

>
> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:C02DCFEF.42EB7%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk...
>>
>
> ~~sneep sneep~~
>
>> Well, all I can say about that is that we've taken to having a nice cup of
>> cocoa for breakfast since you broke the story, on the grounds that we can
>> now feel virtuous rather than guilty about it. Mind you, we make it with
>> skim milk and Splenda sweetener, but it's still pretty good.
>>
>> --
>> Lesley Weston.
>
> Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
> fan, as am I,

Wouldn't use anything else (except sugar, of course, and that's forbidden);
it still doesn't taste like sugar even though it's made from it, but it's
closer than anything else. If only they would cut it with something that
doesn't have any flavour of it's own, rather than using malto-dextrose.

>you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and other drinks.
> Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)

Thank you. I'll look out for them.

--
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that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234526 ] So, 05 März 2006 08:32
April Goodwin-Smith  
"Lesley Weston" wrote ...
> Aggie wrote :
<snip>
> >you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and
>> other drinks. Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>
> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>

You can find an excellent selection of them at the Diabetic Pantry,
on Hastings, 2 blocks East of Boundary, in Burnaby.

April.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234561 ] So, 05 März 2006 18:58
Lesley Weston  
in article 2uwOf.104582$sa3.92433 [at] pd7tw1no, April Goodwin-Smith at
agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca wrote on 04/03/2006 11:32 PM:

> "Lesley Weston" wrote ...
>> Aggie wrote :
> <snip>
>>> you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and
>>> other drinks. Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>>
>> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>>
>
> You can find an excellent selection of them at the Diabetic Pantry,
> on Hastings, 2 blocks East of Boundary, in Burnaby.

Thank you. That looks like a useful place to know about.

--
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Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234587 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 00:27
Aggie  
"Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C02F73B9.42F4E%
>>>
>>
>> ~~sneep sneep~~
>>
>>> Well, all I can say about that is that we've taken to having a nice cup
>>> of
>>> cocoa for breakfast since you broke the story, on the grounds that we
>>> can
>>> now feel virtuous rather than guilty about it. Mind you, we make it with
>>> skim milk and Splenda sweetener, but it's still pretty good.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lesley Weston.
>>
>> Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
>> fan, as am I,
>
> Wouldn't use anything else (except sugar, of course, and that's
> forbidden);
> it still doesn't taste like sugar even though it's made from it, but it's
> closer than anything else. If only they would cut it with something that
> doesn't have any flavour of it's own, rather than using malto-dextrose.
>
> >you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and other drinks.
>> Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>
> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>
> --
> Lesley Weston.

I'm not able to have real sugar often myself, so I've been thrilled with
Splenda. I have to get DaVinci on-line, but I don't know what shipping
would be to Canada. It's 4.95 here no matter how much you order.
http://www13.netrition.com/
:)
Good luck looking.
Aggie
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234589 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 00:28
Aggie  
"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:2uwOf.104582$sa3.92433 [at] pd7tw1no...
> "Lesley Weston" wrote ...
>> Aggie wrote :
> <snip>
>> >you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and
>>> other drinks. Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>>
>> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>>
>
> You can find an excellent selection of them at the Diabetic Pantry,
> on Hastings, 2 blocks East of Boundary, in Burnaby.
>
> April.

I wish we had something like that here. It sounds great. :)

Aggie
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234618 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 12:02
stigmov  
On 2006-03-05, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> in article wn5Of.6397$S25.2589 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, Aggie at
> aggieangst [at] yourway.com wrote on 03/03/2006 4:42 PM:
>>
>> Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
>> fan, as am I,
>
> Wouldn't use anything else (except sugar, of course, and that's forbidden);

I'd never heard of Splenda before, but a quick google hints
that it may not be the safest of stuff to use

"In a simple word you would just as soon have DDT in your food as
Splenda, because sucralose is a chlorocarbon. The chlorocarbons
have long been famous for causing organ, genetic, and reproductive
damage."
http://www.wnho.net/splenda.htm

or

"While it is unlikely that sucralose is as toxic as the poisoning
people are experiencing from Monsanto's aspartame, it is clear
from the hazards seen in pre-approval research and from its chemical
structure that years or decades of use may contribute to serious
chronic immunological or neurological disorders."
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/

Although these may have a certain kook factor, there seems to
be enough behind it that I would be very sceptical about using
this stuff in my food, and certainly wouldn't give it to
children. It seems to me that real sugars, used in moderation,
is still the safest alternative. Unless you are diabetic, of
course.

--
Stig M. Valstad

"but it was against my religious principles: I'm a devout
coward." Seymour J. Metz
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234635 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 14:13
Rick Finucane  
Stig M. Valstad wrote:
> On 2006-03-05, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>in article wn5Of.6397$S25.2589 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, Aggie at
>>aggieangst [at] yourway.com wrote on 03/03/2006 4:42 PM:
>>
>>>Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
>>>fan, as am I,
>>
>>Wouldn't use anything else (except sugar, of course, and that's forbidden);
>
>
> I'd never heard of Splenda before, but a quick google hints
> that it may not be the safest of stuff to use
>
> "In a simple word you would just as soon have DDT in your food as
> Splenda, because sucralose is a chlorocarbon. The chlorocarbons
> have long been famous for causing organ, genetic, and reproductive
> damage."
> http://www.wnho.net/splenda.htm
>
> or
>
> "While it is unlikely that sucralose is as toxic as the poisoning
> people are experiencing from Monsanto's aspartame, it is clear
> from the hazards seen in pre-approval research and from its chemical
> structure that years or decades of use may contribute to serious
> chronic immunological or neurological disorders."
> http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
>
> Although these may have a certain kook factor, there seems to
> be enough behind it that I would be very sceptical about using
> this stuff in my food, and certainly wouldn't give it to
> children. It seems to me that real sugars, used in moderation,
> is still the safest alternative. Unless you are diabetic, of
> course.
>
I would be rather inclined to attach a heavy weighting adjustment to the
"kook factor" in evaluating this - the referenced site, for instance,
seems fairly typical of the sort apparently predicated to some degree or
another on the (in my opinion paranoid) belief that all "unnatural"
additives are inherently unsafe and any / all evidence to the contrary
is part of some large conspiracy between various bodies and the
associated commercial interests.

It's not hard to turn up a large number of authoritative studies and
evaluations of same which find NO statistically significant risk factors
or minor, qualified ones (for instance, massive intake over extended
periods to produce an observable effect; non-repeatable results;
observations which, while apparent, are not of statistical significance
etc), not only for SPLENDA / sucralose but also for most of the other
common bugbears such as aspartame.

For a random example of a reasonably credible review of appropriate
studies try:
http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out68_en.pdf

Fairly typical of the degree of detail, methodology etc.

I'm not likely to stop using it any time now, based on my evaluation of
the documented pros and cons and the comparative credibility (in my
opinion) of sources for same. As a type II diabetic it has a reasonable
part in my diet where sucrose and other carbohydrate intakes have to be
treated with care. As for the general population - well, moderation is
almost always a good thing, within limits. Moderate use of sucrose
tempered with a moderate use of a variety of alternative sweeteners
would be a good strategy for anyone.

One of my personal philosophies, as an aside, would have to be
"Moderation in all things, including moderation" - unless you have a
career aspiration to sainthood or some other ascetic extreme, an
occasional sybaritic indulgence is good for preserving your appreciation
of the qualities of "moderation" by providing a clear counter-example
for comparative purposes.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234652 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 20:24
Eric Jarvis  
Rick Finucane alphaplus [at] bigpond.com wrote in <440c35cb$0$1043$61c65585 [at] un-
2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>:
>
> <Splenda and diabetes>
>
> I'm not likely to stop using it any time now, based on my evaluation of
> the documented pros and cons and the comparative credibility (in my
> opinion) of sources for same. As a type II diabetic it has a reasonable
> part in my diet where sucrose and other carbohydrate intakes have to be
> treated with care. As for the general population - well, moderation is
> almost always a good thing, within limits. Moderate use of sucrose
> tempered with a moderate use of a variety of alternative sweeteners
> would be a good strategy for anyone.
>
> One of my personal philosophies, as an aside, would have to be
> "Moderation in all things, including moderation" - unless you have a
> career aspiration to sainthood or some other ascetic extreme, an
> occasional sybaritic indulgence is good for preserving your appreciation
> of the qualities of "moderation" by providing a clear counter-example
> for comparative purposes.
>

In my view there are two conflicting requirements that a diabetic (or
somebody who has diabetic relatives and is thus potentially at risk of
developing diabetes) has to balance when it comes to diet.

To make a diet work it has to be positive. If you just make a list of
things you are going to avoid then there will always be a temptation to
break the diet. If instead you find better alternatives to the things you
shouldn't eat then it's very easy to stick to it. Controlling diabetes
isn't about cutting out sugar, it is about regulating your blood glucose
levels either with insulin (or Metformin) or by controlling how you
balance exercise and carbohydrate/sugar intake. So in that sense Splenda
is a very useful product.

However it also pays not to have a sweet tooth. Simply replacing sugar
with Splenda isn't actually helping all that much in the long term. If you
have a habit of eating a piece of cake with a cup of coffee every
afternoon then using Splenda instead of sugar when making the cake makes a
tiny difference. Developing the habit instead of eating some stilton and
celery, or an apple, makes a huge difference over time.

There are short term and long term changes a diabetic should make to their
diet. Replacing sugar with Splenda works as a short term answer, it has to
be treated with caution over the long term though. Not because there may
be a direct health risk associated with it, but because it's generally a
way of getting away with eating food that doesn't make a good contribution
to your daily requirement of vitamins and protein. In the long term it's
important to find ways to fill yourself with the food you actually need
and if you aren't careful using Splenda can get in the way of that
process.

OTOH I'm relatively new to all this palaver so I may be completely wrong.
:)

--
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www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234659 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 22:34
Thomas Zahr  
Eric Jarvis posted:

....

> OTOH I'm relatively new to all this palaver so I may be
> completely wrong.

No, this seemed quite reasonable. Add to all this the factor
that research and medication do progress, what is true today
will not necessarily be true tomorrow.

When my father was in his early twenties, he was diagnosed
with diabetes and told, with a very strict diet (and
injecting insulin) he might live another twenty year.
According to this he should be dead for almost thirty years.
If you know that he stopped the diet after about 10 years
otoh ...

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<http://www.zahr.de>
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234675 ] Di, 07 März 2006 00:26
Sofia  
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:58:47 +0000, Lesley Weston wrote:

>>>> you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>>>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and
>>>> other drinks. Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>>>
>>> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>>>
>>
>> You can find an excellent selection of them at the Diabetic Pantry,
>> on Hastings, 2 blocks East of Boundary, in Burnaby.
>
> Thank you. That looks like a useful place to know about.


Am I the only one out of the lot of you that thinks "Splenda sounds
discusting? My mother's recently been diagnosed with diabetes, but like
myself, she never has sugar in he tea or coffee, has never made a cake in
her life.

She probably got it by eating too many choccies, like me, and the majority
of other people in society - so are you all suggesting that we should also
begin to start making our own choccies with cocoa and splenda before we
all get old, or else we might end up with diabetes in 10-20 years time?:-)



All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234690 ] Di, 07 März 2006 03:32
Lesley Weston  
in article slrne0o5b0.9ud.stigmov [at] siclone.itea.ntnu.no, Stig M. Valstad at
stigmov [at] siclone.itea.ntnu.no wrote on 06/03/2006 3:02 AM:

> On 2006-03-05, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> in article wn5Of.6397$S25.2589 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, Aggie at
>> aggieangst [at] yourway.com wrote on 03/03/2006 4:42 PM:
>>>
>>> Mmm... that sounds like a good idea right now. :) Since you're a Splenda
>>> fan, as am I,
>>
>> Wouldn't use anything else (except sugar, of course, and that's forbidden);
>
> I'd never heard of Splenda before, but a quick google hints
> that it may not be the safest of stuff to use
>
> "In a simple word you would just as soon have DDT in your food as
> Splenda, because sucralose is a chlorocarbon. The chlorocarbons
> have long been famous for causing organ, genetic, and reproductive
> damage."
> http://www.wnho.net/splenda.htm
>
> or
>
> "While it is unlikely that sucralose is as toxic as the poisoning
> people are experiencing from Monsanto's aspartame, it is clear
> from the hazards seen in pre-approval research and from its chemical
> structure that years or decades of use may contribute to serious
> chronic immunological or neurological disorders."
> http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
>
> Although these may have a certain kook factor,


You could be right there - the same kind of kook that thinks Aspartame is
dangerous. Sucralose (sold as Splenda) is sucrose (the most commonly-used
sugar) with chlorine atoms substituted for three of the hydroxyls. It could
be significant that a Google on "Splenda" gave the first hit as the Splenda
company themselves and the second and many of the subsequent ones as various
holistic "medicine" outfits. The Splenda page gives a link to information
about safety, which could certainly be biased; however, they also give links
to several papers published in the kind of scientific journals that don't
have things like "holistic" or "natural" in their titles.

http://www.splenda.ca/en/professionals/nutrition3.asp

The stuff has been around since before the war, and has been extensively
studied; no-one but the loonies seems to have found anything wrong with it.

>there seems to
> be enough behind it that I would be very sceptical about using
> this stuff in my food, and certainly wouldn't give it to
> children. It seems to me that real sugars, used in moderation,
> is still the safest alternative. Unless you are diabetic, of
> course.

I appreciate your concern for my safety and that of Aggie, and of course the
best thing is sugar. But for people who can't use it (like my husband) or
don't want to (like me), sucralose is the next best thing.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234699 ] Di, 07 März 2006 05:04
Lesley Weston  
in article MPG.1e769ccd8f9a0c1a9899af [at] cenote.gkhs.net, Eric Jarvis at
web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk wrote on 06/03/2006 11:24 AM:

> Rick Finucane alphaplus [at] bigpond.com wrote in <440c35cb$0$1043$61c65585 [at] un-
> 2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>:
>>
>> <Splenda and diabetes>
>>
>> I'm not likely to stop using it any time now, based on my evaluation of
>> the documented pros and cons and the comparative credibility (in my
>> opinion) of sources for same. As a type II diabetic it has a reasonable
>> part in my diet where sucrose and other carbohydrate intakes have to be
>> treated with care. As for the general population - well, moderation is
>> almost always a good thing, within limits. Moderate use of sucrose
>> tempered with a moderate use of a variety of alternative sweeteners
>> would be a good strategy for anyone.
>>
>> One of my personal philosophies, as an aside, would have to be
>> "Moderation in all things, including moderation" - unless you have a
>> career aspiration to sainthood or some other ascetic extreme, an
>> occasional sybaritic indulgence is good for preserving your appreciation
>> of the qualities of "moderation" by providing a clear counter-example
>> for comparative purposes.
>>
>
> In my view there are two conflicting requirements that a diabetic (or
> somebody who has diabetic relatives and is thus potentially at risk of
> developing diabetes) has to balance when it comes to diet.

It's not just genetics, there's a thing called metabolic syndrome, which is
a collection of conditions that were previously considered to be separate
diseases but that now appear to be linked.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=534

They include insulin resistance, the precursor to diabetes. A person who has
the beginnings of this can dramatically improve their chances of escaping
the full thing by losing weight, taking exercise and avoiding sugar and
saturated fats as far as possible. It works - at least it has for my
husband. The problem is, the avoiding sugar thing is for life, so if you
just can't tolerate coffee and tea without sweetener you're going to have to
use one of the artificial ones, and Splenda has the least aftertaste. If
they would cut it with one of the many tasteless alternatives to
malto-dextrose, it would have no aftertaste - I don't know why they don't.

<snip>

> In the long term it's
> important to find ways to fill yourself with the food you actually need
> and if you aren't careful using Splenda can get in the way of that
> process.
>
> OTOH I'm relatively new to all this palaver so I may be completely wrong.
> :)

According to our doctor (we're new to this too), simply avoiding sugar and
saturated fats (and, of course trans-fats, but everybody should avoid
those), along with taking exercise and making sure one doesn't regain the
lost weight will often do the trick and avoid the need for medications.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234700 ] Di, 07 März 2006 05:08
Lesley Weston  
in article pan.2006.03.06.23.26.26.501718 [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com, Sofia at
pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com wrote on 06/03/2006 3:26 PM:

> On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:58:47 +0000, Lesley Weston wrote:
>
>>>>> you might like to try the DaVinci flavored syrups that are
>>>>> sweetened with Splenda. They're good in seltzer water and
>>>>> other drinks. Plus I use them in cooking when I want a sweetie. :)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. I'll look out for them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can find an excellent selection of them at the Diabetic Pantry,
>>> on Hastings, 2 blocks East of Boundary, in Burnaby.
>>
>> Thank you. That looks like a useful place to know about.
>
>
> Am I the only one out of the lot of you that thinks "Splenda sounds
> discusting? My mother's recently been diagnosed with diabetes, but like
> myself, she never has sugar in he tea or coffee, has never made a cake in
> her life.

That's a shame - I hope she'll be all right.
>
> She probably got it by eating too many choccies, like me, and the majority
> of other people in society - so are you all suggesting that we should also
> begin to start making our own choccies with cocoa and splenda before we
> all get old, or else we might end up with diabetes in 10-20 years time?:-)

No, not really. It just seems to be the least bad-tasting of the artificial
sweeteners, so if one can't eat sugar it's the least bad alternative.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234724 ] Di, 07 März 2006 13:31
Hendrik Schober  
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> in article du94ke$vl3$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
> SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 03/03/2006 2:04 AM:
> > Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> in article du6nsq$b0r$1 [at] murphy.mediascape.de, Hendrik Schober at
> >> SpamTrap [at] gmx.de wrote on 02/03/2006 4:13 AM:
> >>> Brian Wakeling <bpwakeling [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> >>>> Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
> >>>
> >>> I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
> >>> why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
> >>
> >> Apparently, it has to do with anti-oxidants, same as everything else. [...]
> >
> > Does it? Are those part of cocoa per se, or added
> > to chocolate only?
>
> They're there from the beginning.

Thanks.

> [...]
> > So I
> > always assumed it would be the cocoa doing things
> > to your brain.
>
> According to the people doing the study, it's just the anti-oxidants
> preventing heart attacks and strokes. [...]

And according to Brian, the question was whether
chocolate has endorphinic effects.

Schobi

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on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234725 ] Di, 07 März 2006 13:31
Hendrik Schober  
Aggie <aggieangst [at] yourway.com> wrote:
> [...]
> There is nothing wrong with a good, wholesome psycho-active effect I always
> say. :|

LOL!

Schobi

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on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234726 ] Di, 07 März 2006 13:33
Hendrik Schober  
Flesh-eating Dragon <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
> > Brian Wakeling wrote:
>
> > > Does anybody know if chocolate has endorphinic effects?
> >
> > I took it as a well-known fact that it has (which is
> > why I never bothered to dig out some source for it).
>
> Do a web search for "chocolate anandamide", browse a few of the top
> results, and you'll know as much as I do, and probably more. I learned
> about this from an entry in a news column in a 1997 science magazine.

Thanks. (I searched for this across German websites.)

> BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
> correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.

What planet do you live on?

Schobi

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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234730 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:30
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:

> > BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
> > correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.
>
> What planet do you live on?

Earth, a planet in which men and women are, on average, equally
enthusiastic consumers of chocolate.

Adrian.
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234734 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:54
X Kyle M Thompson  
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:

>Hendrik Schober wrote:
>> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>
>> > BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
>> > correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.
>>
>> What planet do you live on?
>
>Earth, a planet in which men and women are, on average, equally
>enthusiastic consumers of chocolate.

I read that and had to go out to the fridge to get some Green &
Blacks.

kt.
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'I don't believe you,' said Dolly
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Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234735 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:52
Arthur Hagen  
Flesh-eating Dragon <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
>> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>
>>> BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
>>> correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.
>>
>> What planet do you live on?
>
> Earth, a planet in which men and women are, on average, equally
> enthusiastic consumers of chocolate.

I didn't know that things were so different in Australia.

A quick Google brought me this snippet about a meta-study:

'A review published in the Journal of the Diabetic Association confirms what
many have believed for years: chocolate can be addicting. Researchers from
the University of Arizona, reviewed and discussed over sixty-seven previous
studies on chocolate and its effect in human nutrition from the past 30
years, and the never-ending question of whether chocolate is a food or a
drug. While only 15% of males appear to crave chocolate, as many as 40% of
women do (75% of these claim that absolutely nothing else will do other than
chocolate). Chocolate cravings may be influenced by a deficiency in
magnesium, and used as a form of self-medication for dietary deficiencies.
{"Are you a chocoholic," nutrition.about.com, May 2002}'

I believe that pterry used a verifiable stereotype in ToT, and I can
sympathise with Lu-Tze who can have a piece, and think it nice, but not
something to crave or become overly enthusiastic about. I'm likewise sure
that many women can sympathise with Susan's love for chocolate. Yes, there
are exceptions, but the overall stereotype is largely true.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I]...Why Girls live longer than Boys [message #234738 ] Di, 07 März 2006 15:35
PeterH  
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:54:27 +0000, X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>
>>Hendrik Schober wrote:
>>> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>>
>>> > BTW, the thread title, why? I _sincerely_ doubt there is any
>>> > correlation between gender and chocolate consumption.
>>>
>>> What planet do you live on?
>>
>>Earth, a planet in which men and women are, on average, equally
>>enthusiastic consumers of chocolate.
>
> I read that and had to go out to the fridge to get some Green & Blacks.

Mmmmm ... avocado and Marmite ... on toast ... good choice.

Oh bother, I'm drooling.


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